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What value do you place on a life?  

oneladybrijit 66F
298 posts
1/5/2012 11:08 pm
What value do you place on a life?

It's all relative as they say.

If it's a poisonous spider, stomp, or splat.

If it's a pesky fly, splat!

When it's a cockroach, yuk! Bye!

A mossie (mosquito), no way! You're not giving me a disease if I can help it! Splat!!

At present, most days, I go outside to the fish pond, and watch a bunch of really beautiful goldfish of various colours, and they are not eating fish, and if anything happens to them, I get very upset, as if they were my loved animals. Some people think I am a bit nuts if that happens.

While I was out there, a few times, I noticed a really fat "fish" also with a tail, really long tail, feeding with the rest of the goldfish, only I did not buy this one, and I looked closer. I had just discovered that there are these gorgeous frogs in the pond, and I think they are the rare ones, so I watched.

In the water I was looking at these creatures that were about five cm, nearly two inches long, without their tail, and outside the water, I only saw one or two frogs that big, however a number of tiny frogs about three cm from nose to bottom. They are so cute. I have taken photos, and emailed an expert, in case they are rare.



When two of the large "fish" joined my bought fish eating, I realised that they were tadpoles. I was a bit surprised at their size, as they compare with the goldfish in size, much the same size.

I find that even though I am not at all a frog person, not wanting to touch them if I did not have to, finding them slimy and yuk! to touch, I still care about them, and feel that they are life, in a way that I didn't in the past. I look at them in appreciation, feeling that like me they are alive, like the fish also. I just seem to love that each one of them is life, and so enjoy watching them these days.

Now other lives. We don't hesitate to have a destroyed if it bites someone. We want our oldies to be able to choose whether they have to continue living and have massive debates over euthanasia.

A lot of our human culture seems to be about killing. Some cultures feel that they earn "pennies in heaven" if they kill lots of people not of their own faith, especially if they die in the process. Other cultures also feel that death in the name of war, or even worse, disease or injury, and usually not mild injury, but long term, painful severe type injuries are all valid.

Back home, in society, there are those that have watched blood thirsty movies over the years, and find a gun has the answer. If he points a gun at me, I'll kill him, and far worse.

Everywhere we turn, it seems to be ok that death happens, or other gruesome events, to people all around us.

Then the question must be asked: What is a life worth???

If I have pure energy inside me, and that is my living spirit, then I can only assume that all biological life forms also have that same energy in a greater or lesser form, so they are all just as alive as I am, and so if I value my life, then I must re-evaluate my concept of kill before being killed, or kill before being affected, as with flies, mosquitoes, and other similar life forms.

If I don't want to be indiscriminately killed, then how can I just go out and kill? for any reason????

Suddenly life takes on a whole new meaning. If I value my life, then I must value other lives, if only in the way I kill, only I think that if I want to live a long and peaceful life, then I must make an effort to support other life forms, whether I appreciate them or not. We don't go out and kill that person who just really annoys the living daylights out of us, so why would we kill someone of another nationality, when they might just happen to be nicer than anyone we know? They might not be too! Just thought I'd add that.

I think that I have made my point. In this modern, clever world, there are still some who place no value on life as such, and they are few indeed. For most of us, we do place some value on the lives close to us, only I do ask you the question:

What value do you place on a life? I ask you because I take incredible delight watching these frogs emerge after about twenty minutes of really still and silent waiting, and then they are finally there, and so cute. They barely move, only, I see watching them as a privilege, not a right, so that makes it special. No, I do not want to touch them, have difficulty handling lizards.

I do let "daddy long leg" spiders live, and have managed to let at least a small number of them crawl over my hand, and that was not easy.

I am far from perfect, as I swat flies, mosquitoes, spiders and some cockroaches, although I often catch them and just put them outside, easy with a large mouthed take away container. My question is mostly related to humans, only if you value the life of a small animal, and I tend to love birds also, how much more would you value the life of another human?

Yes, I know they are weird looking creatures, with little or no hair, occasionally covered in it, very rarely. animals tend to be so much prettier with lovely fur or hide, and humans are just long legged gangly things a lot like giraffes. Even spiders seem to be so much more aesthetically pleasing with their balanced number of eight legs, set in four neat pairs along their bodies, and bodies that sort of match their heads in shape. All seem far more attractive than humans, with pock marks on some, scars, droopy wrinkles as they age.

I mean if every human has some value, (and sometimes I see no value in one of them) and they do. Some are there for the rest of us to nurture, as their value is in their loved ones, needing them. Some are wise, and have lots for us to learn. Others provide services for us every day, and others do things that we never want to have to do ourselves, like police officers, fire fighters, sanitary officers. Without each one of these, human society would not function well. Some have really low hygiene standards, others excessively high. Some eat their food raw, and others could not eat anything raw. The diversity of humans is amazing, and most of us would have a problem with at least one type somewhere. I suspect that is just normal. All are still human, and yes, some of us would argue that for reasons that we would feel are justified.

Back to the question, how much is a life worth? Then how much is a human life worth?

Please consider.


Couple34982 72M/54F
1727 posts
1/5/2012 11:53 pm

If you've ever seen war it's worth very little. People can be unbelievably cruel.

As far as animals go...I'm sorry to say I spent many of my early years (from about 10 years old to about 20 years old)as an avid hunter. I also trapped a little, and fished a little. Now days, I don't even like to swat a mosquito, although I do it out of reflex.
Just the other night I saw a spider walk past me here when I was on the computer and I pretended I didn't notice him cause I didn't want to hurt him.
I feel any living thing has as much right to life as I do, so I don't want to hurt anything ever again.

If I Had Known I'd Live This Long I'd Have Taken Better Care Of Myself..!!


oneladybrijit 66F
420 posts
1/6/2012 12:31 am

Hard to do though? I still can't let the ones that worry me live. I just try to make it merciful and quick.


Opus_of_a_liar 47F

1/6/2012 1:43 am

Life is precious that is for sure.

I am very interested to learn about the nature of your frogs. That in itself is worth living for.


SirTeezalot 74M
21966 posts
1/6/2012 2:14 am

Well I am sure you have noticed the signature below my blog comments, "war is absurd".

Although I have given up ranting and raving about it, I still mean it.

I believe that it is totally immoral to kill another human under any circumstance except justifiable self defence. And as far as I am concerned, an order from your superior office can never be an excuse to murder another human.

As for other creatures, well to some extent I take the same view as yourself. I will zap an insect if it bugs me but only if opening a door or window to let it out is not an option.

I can hardly call myself an animal lover and understand the law of the jungle is unavoidable. If you try to stop a lion from killing it's prey you will eventually cuase the death of the lion. But never ask me to physically do the killing.

And by the way, I once read that a goldfish has a memory span of about 2 seconds. Put it in a small goldfish bowl and it will never stop exploring it's home.

Sir Teezalot

WAR IS ABSURD


oneladybrijit 66F
420 posts
1/6/2012 3:24 am

Ok, maybe I can add the pics I took of the frogs.

Now with those goldfish, I'd like to know how that memory thing can be, if I had goldfish that used to come to me to stroke them every day at feeding time. They didn't just come up to eat. They'd see my hand and come up to feel me stroke them, as I originally had done the side of the tank before I put them in the pond.

And just for those that say you can't stroke a fish because you will remove his scales, what kind of idiot would stroke the fish the wrong way??? There is only one way to stroke him, the same as a cat. Don't you love the comparison??? fish - cat

Oh, I love both.


kukoocock 54M
5836 posts
8/8/2012 5:31 am

Putting value on life is hard because its a one off and cannot be exactly replaced, cloning aside obviously as it can only mimic.

I value life and the life of my family above all, though I have a deep love of natural life here on this planet. For me when I look at the trees and the clouds in the sky the swallows swooping my heart can leap, here is where a god could live, even in slimy frogs (I mean in them not as a super being/deity on this planet).

If there was one.

Maybe to kill things is killing 'god'? I kill spiders and things like that but it is hypocritical I suppose in the same breath to gush about life is such a way. This is the animal flaw of the human or the human flaw of the animal, however your view on our existence be.

Thought provoking as usual. Thanks.



There are two kinds of light, the glow that illuminates & the glare that obscures. James Thurber


oneladybrijit replies on 8/14/2012 6:39 am:
Thank you also.

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